• Dogmom
    206
    Since we are all family, we truly are... we've shared so much. Have any of you had any cosmetic "touch-ups" or have tried Ultherapy or non-surgical procedures. I am thinking about getting my eyes done and a brow lift but I am afraid of anesthesia, not the twilight kind but the kind that makes you nauseous. I've looked into Ultherapy and thought that may be a good procedure and I've looked into just getting my lids done with light sedation. I'm driving myself crazy, so any input would be most welcome from my wig family!

  • BeatA
    673
    well, I’m an anesthesiologist and if the only thing you’re afraid of is nausea there are some very good medications that can be given that can greatly decrease your risk of having nausea with anesthesia. Now nausea with opioids due to pain may be a different issue if you will need opioids for pain after...

    Having said that nausea is never the only thing you should be concerned about with anesthesia or surgery in general. There can be wound infections, nerve injuries etc etc that can make a minor procedure into a headache. The risks are relatively minor, but there ARE risks! So as with a lot of things in life it will be a risk benefit ratio decision.

    For me personally, having had a few surgeries that I HAD to have for cancers and having had a wound infection ( nothing too major, but not fun) I would not have purely elective cosmetic surgery for all the reasons mentioned above. But this is always a personal decision. If you do not have any major health issues and you feel that the surgery is worth the risks then go ahead. Nausea can be dealt with and even if you do get it it will be short lived. Anesthesia has become very safe in the past few years. As an anesthesiologist I am partial to having care from an anesthesiologist or a care team model which means a nurse anesthetist with an anesthesiologist supervising and available for back up. Versus just a nurse anesthetist without an anesthesiologist ( doctor) for backup available. This is certainly controversial, especially if you ask some nurse anesthetist and I don’t want to get into a big argument here, but this is my opinion.

    This may be more than you asked for, sorry for the lengthy answer, but I can’t make this a short one.
  • Dogmom
    206
    I want to thank you so very much. My biggest fear is not waking up and I am healthy but with any surgery there is always that gray area of the unknown, mo matter how healthy you are. Thank you! I am leading towards nom-surgical.
  • BeatA
    673
    I did not mean to scare you! Not waking up in someone who is healthy and has elective surgery and an anesthesia team is super rare. You almost have a better chance of dying in a plane crash ( sorry for being graphic, but it’s true).

    On another note: my personal mantra is that I’ve earned all my wrinkles! The other tip: by keeping my weight up I keep the wrinkles down! ( honestly I really wish I had more wrinkles and less weight, but I prefer to be a lemons to lemonade kind of person....)
  • Sunset
    465
    Recently I've looked into something that starts with an S to get rid of hand veins. I was really excited about having it done, but when I asked a Dr's office if I could have it done after having four lymph nodes removed under one arm he said NO. I'm going to go to the surgeon who did my surgery & ask her opinion, but I bet she'll say NO also. Maybe I should have it done on the other hand only so at least one hand will look better. I've always had thin hands with long fingers. i was told years ago I should be a hand model. Now the tides have changed, because due to age my skin has thinned on my hands making my veins show that just drives me crazy.
  • Dogmom
    206
    I've looked into Ultherapy and it has gotten very good reviews on tightening of the skin. No down time and I also get Skin Pen done. My goal is to grow older gracefully and keep my long hair!
  • Sunset
    465
    What is Skin Pen?
  • Moonlitnight
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    Sclerotherapy. Since with all invasive and semi-invasive procedures (injections) there is always a risk of infection, I doubt whether anyone would do this procedure on anyone who had no lymph nodes. I have very nasty hands imo. Like you, I used to get compliments on them. Now they are all bony and aged-looking. Not one brown spot though as I wear sunscreen and use retin-A.

    Dogmom. Do you want an essay? Before I give one, I guess you have checked out the success rate based on actual opinions of women who have had every procedure imaginable on realself.com ? I used to live on that site haha.

    I have no issues with going under the knife and have done four times now for elective reasons. I find that if I look forward to something in the future before the anaesthesia, I am not scared of not waking up. I love the feeling of going under when someone in the OR is holding my hand. it's so easy. The anaesthesiologist says, You're going to start get sleepy now, and that's it. I have never felt even slightly nauseous.

    I have had two nose jobs (one to correct the other) and two cosmetic procedures to deal with an underdeveloped upper palate that resulted in large clefts where people get nasolabial lines. I also had my canine teeth built outwards do help from the inside. It worked to an extent (The operation was a one-off) and was like an upper facelift with flaps of tissue brought down from somewhere around the sides of my nose. What really sealed the deal were injectables that caused collagen to be created in that area. I had this done 12 years ago and have not touched the area since.

    I have had Ultherapy once. Will continue this saga in a while.
  • Sunset
    465
    I don’t have age spots on my hands & they aren’t wrinkled. It’s just these horrible veins that drive me insane. I had a huge age mark removed off my cheek & I’m so happy it’s gone now. It looked horrible for a week after I had it done. It was worth it though.

    That was another remark I received from a man several years ago. He said I had really pretty hands if it weren’t for the veins!!! I could have mentioned something about his obvious limp that I accepted, but I chose not to. I don’t want to lower myself down to someone’s level.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    OK, Ultherapy. I had this done 10 years ago on my lower jaw and neck. It stung a bit but wasn't unbearable. The doc who did it was considered to be the best in Vancouver, for this procedure anyhow. The reason I had it done was slight saggyness in the jaw and the upper neck. I didn't notice anything for a few months but then, I noticed that my jaw wasn't bothering me any more! The doctor said I'd had a very good result. My other cosmetic connection, a GP with a cosmetic practice, who is a friend, said the same and that a lot of her patients didn't think it was worth it because there wasn't an immediate difference. I feel that it gave me 10 years of a younger neck/jawline. The nasolabial area where I had the fillers has remained flat in appearance as well.

    I am now considering a lower FL/NL for my loose-looking neck which cannot be seen in photographs. It won't get rid of wrinkles, and I have a few significant ones by my Adam's apple, but it will tauten the area. I saw the same doc who did my nasolabial area and corrective nose and he refused until I looked "worse." In December, I am seeing another surgeon for a consult.
    I have no intention of growing old gracefully and don't see this as a flaw in any way. To each her own.

    One more thing. I have three friends who had blephs and another about to do so. In every case, they looked years younger.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??? Honestly, I would have flattened him. I once had an "experimental" procedure done with my cosmetic buddy. She injected either Restylane or Perlane in between the bones and it did stop them from looking so veiny and bony for a while (7 months). It cost $1,800, which I didn't have to pay. Now, they use a longer lasting Allergan product (I am not sure which) and it is more expensuive. . Maybe you could ask about an injectable, although I'd still be a bit leery of the absence of nodes, just in case. Infection is very rare but it does happen.
  • Crystal
    214
    I had a breast augmentation in 2012 and my top eight teeth are veneers. I woke up really sick from the breast augmentation, but I had been given morphine for pain. I now have morphine listed as having an adverse reaction. I ended up with two stitch accesses. One at 4 months post OP and the other at 10 months. My body just didn't absorb the dissolvable stitches like it should have. The first abcess wasn't bad. The second one could have been really bad, but luckily I was on antibiotics for a respiratory infection. I think that kept it from being serious. I had to go and see my surgeon and he said the worst case scenario would mean removing the implant. Thankfully, I healed up well and haven't had any more problems.
  • Dogmom
    206
    Thank you! I do feel I need the Bleph, I will try Ultherapy because at this time I don't care about immediate results I understand that it takes months for collagen to renew itself. I like what I've seen as far as the results go on people. I'll take a Valium and I'll ne fine... LOL Also I want to have Botox and my lips done slightly. Thank you for your feedback you all made me feel better. Love you all.
    I go for my Ultherapy consult in 2 weeks I will be reporting back.
  • Dogmom
    206
    its microneedlimg of the face and its done in 3 sessions a month apart. I get it done every year. They do have to numb your skin but its so worth it.
  • Sunset
    465
    I've watched a lot of you tube videos about the hand veins. The procedure I'm talking about is called Sclerotherapy. It can just be done right in the Dr's office. One Dr. said in the you tube video he felt it was best to do this & fillers for real thin hands. The Scleroptherapy actually gets rid of the veins forever. One Dr's office said the Dr. has you pick which vein you want left for future IV's. When I broke my right wrist they couldn't do the IV on that wrist, & they couldn't do it on the left side because of the four lymph nodes removed. So they did it in my ankle & that was fine. I've never had trouble with waking up after being put under, but I had a really difficult time waking up after having my wrist operated on. Usually I've woken up, not nauseated & I'm ready to eat right away. After three times of telling them my right wrist was broken, I was shocked when the nurse came in & it was written in the notes my left wrist was broken.

    I would mortgage my house to get rid of these hand veins. One Dr. wanted to rip out all my lymph nodes, and I then went to the surgeon who did mine & she said it was absolutely not necessary to rip them all out. Luckily cancer wssn't found in any of the four she removed. I've been told to not have blood pressure taken on that arm or even wear a watch on that arm. I've gotten used to wearing it on the other side. I wonder what happens to women who have had this sclerotherapy done before having lymph nodes removed. I'm anxious to hear what the surgeon who removed my four lymph nodes says about me having this procedure.
  • Sunset
    465
    I'd like to have the bleph done, but am scared to do it. I'd like to see videos of women before & after. I can take pictures of myself in certain light & you don't see anything, but then if I get under a bright light there they are! This is why I don't trust the before & after pictures. Mine are the troughs instead of dark circles, but they look like dark circles. I've stopped using concealer because it doesn't work for what I have. I inherited these from my father, and they looked a lot better on him. I wish there was something easier that could be done about them. Fillers will not work for the problem I have. I've been told I would need surgery, and it scares me with some of the side effects I've read about. I did see Ali Wentworth had this procedure done; it was all over the intenet of why wasn't she doing something about them. Thank God I'm not a celebrity. She put up all kinds of videos on youtube of her procedure, and it looked pretty brutal. I saw her on TV the other day, & I can tell she looks a lot better now. Sometimes I put glasses on to cover them, that works wonders, but I don't want to wear glasses all the time. I heard moving the skin around under one's eyes can create wrinkles there. I really have very few there, so I'd be devastated to have this procedure & them get them. Oh brother, it's always something. (LOL)
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Woo! Excited for you. You mentioned lips... on the 17th, I am having a little filler put in my lower lip. I have noticed that my lower jaw has undergone a lot of bone resorption. It seems to be positioned further back. The result is that my lower lip seems smaller and sort of back in my face if that makes sense. I understand that some docs are injecting under the lip to correct this sign of aging. I am just wanting very very little in the lower lip itself to replace what once was there, or to give the appearance of the lip being more forward.
  • MoonlitnightAccepted Answer
    1.7k
    Did a cosmetic surgeon tell you the tear trough fillers wouldn't work? Re hands, I enquired years ago about sclerotherapy and neither doctor seemed high on it. Both said that if you take out one vein, another will become enlarged as the body compensates. Have you enquired about fillers? Would they interest you at all?
  • Sunset
    465
    Yes, it's been told to me several times the fillers would not work for me since they are the troughs instead of dark circles. I've gone to about three cosmetic surgeons about this. I was scheduled to have the surgery several years ago, but the receptionist kept calling me all excited about this for me. This bothered me her extreme excitement over this. Besides that, the Dr. had dark circles or troughs himself, so I wondered why he wasn't having any procedure done about them.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Oh, I meant for the hands :)
  • BeatA
    673
    ulttherapy as I’m focused ultrasound?
    That’s noninvasive and sounds much safer than surgery. At least it takes infection and possibly ( probably?) nerve damage out of the equation. I had not heard of that, but then again I had not looked into that. Let me know how that works out... I have these jowls and a double Chin that I could do without, but I would NEVER have surgery for it.
  • Sunset
    465
    The fillers would still be sticking a needle in my hands. A hand vein specialist in New York explained on a you tube video the fillers isn't enough to do especially if someone has real thin hands like mine. When I call any of these Dr's offices the receptionist will right away say it's no problem if I've had some lymph nodes removed. I then ask them to ask the Dr. One did & she was nice enough to call me back, but she had bad news where the Dr. advised me not to have it done. It's not so much getting an infection, I think it's possible it could cause lymphadema . I know that's spelled wrong. I sure wouldn't want that. I saw a beautiful young lady one time who has lymphadema and her one arm was twice the size of her other one. That would be way worse than having these God awful veins.
  • Dogmom
    206
    Yes, ultrasound that goes deep into the layers of the dermis up to the muscle. It breaks down the collagen and elastin so it can rebuild itself and the results are amazing
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Not sure if you saw my post, but yes, Ultherapy (Ulthera) helped my jowls and neck and they have remained looking pretty good after 10 years. I have wrinkling on my neck now and a little jowliness returning. If your double chin has fat in it, injections of Belkyra/Kybella have been designed for that specific purpose. I haven't looked up the results on RealSelf.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    That makes sense. I hope you can find someone to help. If you have some nodes, maybe someone will be prepared to do it. My mother had lymphedema :(
  • Cathe Lartigue
    320
    Dogmom. Plastic surgery or nips and tucks are not in my budget. But you can be assured if my budget allowed I would: Have a neck lift, have a full-on face lift, have a tummy tuck and have my llips "enhanced"!!!
  • Sunset
    465
    Sorry about your Mom having it. Did she have breast cancer also & have lymph nodes removed because of it?
  • Sunset
    465
    I would like to have my lips enhanced, but I've seen pictures of some of these celebrities & they look like they have duck lips.
  • Cathe Lartigue
    320
    that's why you need a really, really good doctor to administer the lip fillers. I've seen a few that actually looked good!!!
  • Sunset
    465
    I have also. My daughter has the most perfect lips, full but not too full. I'm always saying to her give me your lips. I've always had thinner lips, and both my granddaughters have my lips. They have gorgeous, thick hair, so they really lucked out in that department.

    When I was a teenager I thought it was better to have thinner lips. Now it's better to have fuller ones.
  • dc21
    327
    I see myself having my eyes done in decade or so if I can afford it. For now, I have some spider veins I have wanted to get rid of.
  • Sunset
    465
    Oh no, way too many cases of it. Sorry about your Mom. No one in my family ever had it; so I had to end up getting it. 75% of cases have no family history whatsoever.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    It was back in the day (early 70s ) and she had a radical mastectomy.
  • Sunset
    465
    Yea, that's all they did back then, and they also ripped out all the lymph nodes. I had a lumpectomy because they explained to me since it was caught early, although invasive that I didn't like to hear, that my chances would be exactly the same if I had a mastectomy or a lumpectomy. The first male surgeon told me just have a mastectomy because that's what Nancy Reagan did. I don't care what she did, what's that got to do with me? He also put in a drain & the small little cap came off while I was sleeping & he yelled at me. I called a nurse at the hospital & she said it happens all the time. It makes sense it would happen all the time. Someone luckily then referred me to the lady surgeon I went to because I had to have surgery again because the male Doc did not get clean margins. She said there was absolutely no need to put in the drain & gave me the choice if I wanted lymph nodes removed. I kind of wish I didn't, but then I'd worry maybe the cancer had gotten there to. The lady surgeon is the sweetest, nicest lady who spends a lot of time with you to explain everything.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    The first male surgeon told me just have a mastectomy because that's what Nancy Reagan did.Sunset
    What has that got to do with anything?
  • Sunset
    465
    Exactly, what Nancy Reagan or any other woman did had nothing to do with me. All women with breast cancer have different types, and also different grades. I think he just was old fashioned & felt a woman should have a mastectomy; however I studied it enough & it doesn't change what could happen or not happen in the future. At least with most women. Sometimes I'm sure it is very necessary though.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    ...and also, there are different "types" within one tumour...often many different types.
  • Sunset
    465
    I know, it's really amazing how many different types, where the tumor or tumors are located, and if they will even be seen on a mammogram. Mine was found through a mammogram, but it's scary how many women get a mammogram & are told they're OK & the mammogram missed it.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Yes. I prefer thermography but that's not very effective either.
  • Sunset
    465
    I keep hoping & praying they come up with better ways to detect it & to treat it. Better yet, come up with a cure for all cancers. There so many other diseases besides cancer, and heart disease is still the number one killer over all diseases. We just have to live each day & make the best out of it, eat healthy, exercise & try to not get too stressed about things.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    So very true. Hugs.
  • buckeyegal1963
    623
    I've never heard of Ultherapy, sounds interesting and maybe something I would consider, since I don't want to do anything too invasive.

    A couple of years ago I had Endovenous thermal ablation, Ambulatory phlebectomy and Sclerotherapy done on both of my legs, for medical reasons moreso than cosmetic, so my insurance covered most of the cost of the procedures. I had lots of varicose veins which were causing me pain as well as putting me at a risk for blood clots. The Endovenous thermal ablation and Ambulatory phlebectomy were not pleasant at all! Maybe since I had so many veins to pull through and cut off, 30 on one leg 46 on the other. The doc asked if I wanted to see the excised veins, no thank you! I'm really squeamish with things like that and blood. My legs were so bruised and swollen, looked like a truck ran over them and they were pretty sore for weeks. I also have veiny hands and arms (tho not as bad as they were since I've put on weight), there's never a problem finding my veins when it comes to blood tests or IVs. They don't bother me enough to consider any procedure to remove them.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Ouch, ouch, Vicki. I actually shivered reading that. They don't seem to want to do sclerotherapy cosmetically up here. They used to but now you fork out $1,000 or so and get injected instead. In my case, it made my vein look worse. I have very transparent skin and could see this long, blue, non-varicose vein under the surface. I should have just used makeup on it. You can read reviews on ultherapy here: https://www.realself.com/ultherapy/reviews It says 78% approval rate. I suspect it is closer to 85% as many people only leave reviews when they are not to thrilled about something.
  • buckeyegal1963
    623
    My treatment was for medical reasons, insurance won't cover it here for cosmetic. I have some spider veins, but I didn't get them done as my insurance wouldn't cover it. My skin is pretty transparent as well, it's been almost 2 yrs since I had the done and there is still some discoloration as well as a couple of them still being visible under the skin. My legs were becoming pretty painful, and my job requires me being on my feet walking around most of the day, so I had no choice really. The doctor kinda admonished me for putting it off for so long, that I was putting myself at risk of developing deep vein thrombosis. My recovery time was a little longer than they had predicted, I tried going back to work a few days later and my boss sent me right home, I could barely walk they were so bruised and swollen.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Mine was for vanity, pure and simple. Do varicose veins run in your family?
  • buckeyegal1963
    623
    No, mine were caused by years of working on my feet. They weren't due to weight, most of my adult life (other than pregnancies) my weight was 105-110lbs, it's only in the last few years that I've become plumper. It was in my early 30's they started developing, I shouldn't have waited 20 years to get them taken care of I suppose, but back then the treatment was vein stripping which was even more invasive with a much longer recovery time. Being a single parent back then, I couldn't afford to take 4-6 weeks off per leg, and they would only do one leg at a time.
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    Ouch. I thought phlebectomy was the official term for vein stripping and that you had theat. Sorry if this sounds like the Spanish Inquisition.:lol: I just want to be armed with info when I go into see my vein doc again and he tells me no one has phlebectomies any more (they just have hugely expensive injections and he gets to renew his fancy cars again).
  • Twinkle
    96
    I’m thinking of doing the microneedling. Is it painful?? I had Fraxel done a few years ago and it was soooooooo painful!!
  • Moonlitnight
    1.7k
    I do it myself but the needles don't penetrate as far as when Dogmom gets it professionally done. The pain is what stops me from going deeper. I won't use the tattoo numbing cream, although effective, as it contains nasty chemicals and these would be ploughed into my skin along with the good stuff. I just had a thought as I typed this. I could wash it off before needling. It's needle night tonight so I will try that.
  • Twinkle
    96
    I have the glo pro too but am not seeing any real difference. Maybe I’m not using it enough?
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